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Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:01 pm
by Oldsparkey
Heck ... The Sasquatch is a speedy canoe when you get serious about paddling but it is a lot more fun having it ease along and enjoy life.

My guess is if you want to race them then use a kayak paddle since it is in the water twice as much as a canoe paddle. One guaranteed way to get the speed your boat offers you out of your boat.

If you want something more maneuverable and just ease along for most of the trip use a canoe paddle. I relate the speed of a boat to the fact that a speedy boat is a easy paddling boat , less effort expended to move it threw the water compared to a boat which takes some work to make it go. As I said , the Sasquatch is one easy paddling canoe and if you want to catch up to someone it will do it.

If you will take a close look at the picture you will see that bow wake and all the turbulence behind the boat , including a wake out from the sides of the canoe.... Also look at the water from his paddle strokes , he is really pulling on that paddle. If he paddled it all day that way the would be exhausted. He is causing more resistance to work against then necessary for an enjoyable paddle down some river ... it does make a nice picture which I am sure was the whole idea behind it.

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Chuck.

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:24 pm
by jem
Big advantage I could envision for this style boat is handing a seat from the gunwales would be a lot easier. Kinda hard to do on the Sasquatch with the angled top panel.

But then again, the Placid Boats as designed are most meant to sit on the hull bottom kinda like a kayak.

The gunwale design reminds me of a decked canoe like the Kruger Sea Wind or the JEM "wind" series of decked canoes. Pretty much the same config.

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:58 pm
by Oldsparkey
jem wrote:Big advantage I could envision for this style boat is handing a seat from the gunwales would be a lot easier. Kinda hard to do on the Sasquatch with the angled top panel.

But then again, the Placid Boats as designed are most meant to sit on the hull bottom kinda like a kayak.

The gunwale design reminds me of a decked canoe like the Kruger Sea Wind or the JEM "wind" series of decked canoes. Pretty much the same config.
It could just be nothing more then a trademark of that design and not serve any practical function. It could even be a carry over the one designer for Bell Canoes decided to keep and make more pronounced in these canoes.

If a functional design called for it to be designed that way it appears that it would be the paddle sitting on the bottom of the boat and trying not to hit his knuckles when paddling. Or as you said , hanging a seat from the gunnels when you wanted to be up off the bottom of it which is a good way to save the knuckles. :D

I believe the functional design that jbo_c noticed was the guy paddling the canoe faster then it was meant to be paddled and nothing with the way the canoe was designed or made. Any boat can be paddled beyond it's capabilities for a short time till the paddler runs out of steam. :lol:

Chuck.

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:19 pm
by jbo_c
Yeah, I was just looking at how far back you can still see his paddle tracks. He's been paddling like a blender.

I'm with ya'll. Get a longer, sleeker boat. Paddle less and relax.

Jbo

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:16 pm
by hairymick
I'm thinking along the lines of a Sasquatch Pack - say around 13' X 28" :P

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:09 pm
by Jimmy W
hairymick wrote:I'm thinking along the lines of a Sasquatch Pack - say around 13' X 28" :P
I'm with Mick. That would be an interesting canoe. I've always been interested in the Eno and a Sasquatch pack would be even better.

The Fire series from Placid were once made by Bell.
The list below was stolen from that site that Chuck and Jack dislike. Bob Foote also worked on some of the whitewater designs from Bell and Perception and maybe others.

David Yost's Commercially produced hulls as of June 09

Tubbs: [1] Minuteman

Curtis: [10] Solo tripper, Vagabond, Nomad, MayFly, LadyBug, BlueGill, DragonFly, Companion, NorthStar, CrossFire II.

Sawyer: 10] Autumn Mist, StarLight, DY Special, SummerSong, ShockWave, Solo 13/Coda, X-17, 190 Cruiser, 222 Cruiser, Legend.

Loon Works:[11] Pal, Duet, My Bug, Wee Bug, Mistral, My Toy, Button, Solitaire, Nakoma, Allegro, Aria.

Swift [10 canoes] Heron, Loon, Algonquin 16, Otter, Kewayden, Outfitters 15, 16, 17, Prospector, Kewaydin II.
[13 Kayaks] Classic 12, 13.5, Adirondack 10LY,12, 12LT, 13.6, Saranac 14LT, 14LV, 14 Spt, 14.5, Kiwasee 12.6LV, 12.6, 13.2.

Perception [6] Spectrum, Spectrum S, Prism, Keewee 2, Carolina[s] [2]

Bell: [26] BuckTail, Magic, Merlin II, RobRoy 12, RobRoy 15, FlashFire, WildFire, YellowStone Solo RX, StarFire, NorthWoods, NorthStar, NorthWind, MorningStar, MorningStar RX, NorthWind RX, BackWater, Mystic, Prodigy, Prodigy X, YellowStone Solo, Nexus, Alaska, Companion, Prospector, NorthShore.

Hemlock [4 from Curtis plugs] Kestrel, Peregrine, Eagle, Eaglet.

Placid boatworks [6] StarFire, FlashFire, WildFire, SpitFire, RapidFire, un-named Tandem Pack

Sawyer IV [4] Shockwave, SummerSong,Autumn Mist, Solo 13 [Sawyer II and III never really counted.]

And the 09 C-4 6mm Magnum makes 102 hulls from 12 manufacturers, 7 of whom are still in business! Please note when a model moves to a new manufacturer I'm counting it again. Without these doubles the number is 91 different designs produced. Posted by: CEWilson on Jun-08-09

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:16 pm
by banoe
Most of the pack canoe designs are adaptations of double paddle solo canoes that were popular in the late 1800's. Those canoes were lap streak hulls and very light with fine lines. I built two solo strip canoes last winter to an adaptation of Rushton's Wee Lassy design. I have paddled them a lot this spring and you do click the rails a good bit when you are paddling. I have learned to adapt my stroke so it doesn't happen to much. I have been thinking some tumble home in my next build would help me clear the rails better. As Matt said tumble homes can get tricky to build and keep a good looking sheer line.

The guy in the picture is paddling his buns off. Wonder he can keep a smile on his face.